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relevantmoose: Help me argue against Obamacare? It's been a while since I read anything, and you always have good opinions and sources.

redbloodedamerica:

Well, it would seem it’s getting easier to argue against the Affordable Care Act as we approach November.  Here are some news stories that are starting to sprout up:

• 115,000 Obamacare enrollees might lose their insurance coverage at the end of this month because their citizenship couldn’t be verified and another 363,000 could see their insurance costs spike because they may have not actually qualified for federal subsidies.

• The second shoe on insurance cancellations is about to drop this year on states like Virginia.  The “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan” lie will skyrocket this fall as new Obamacare regulations force more businesses to drop coverage and take the penalty rather than pay extremely high premiums as a result.  My business is actually weighing this option right now and I may lose my coverage come November.  The White House of course delayed the employer mandate this year though.  This of course was meant to keep pressure off of Democrats trying to get reelected.

• Obamacare is still costing far more than the pricetag we were promised.  The CBO projects that ACA subsidies will rise 8 fold over the next 10 years.

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Not only that, but Medicaid spending is also estimated to double during that time.

• Obamacare is still highly unpopular in this country…especially by the uninsured.  That’s pathetic considering that was supposed to be main demographic this bill was meant to help.  But in reality, we all know that it was about taking control of the private health care market and subsequently destroying it.

seriouschild: Do the math. Minimum wage where I live is $7.25/hour. If you worked 9-5 everyday, you would make about $21,000 a year before taxes. That is not enough to live off of, especially if you have children. How can you say that Minimum Wage is enough?

redbloodedamerica:

kindlewood:

redbloodedamerica:

How many single parents do you know that are working a single minimum wage job?  Honestly.

When I worked a part-time minimum wage job in high school, I lived rent free; in college I had roommates to supplement my lifestyle.  As Erick Erickson said yesterday, most people aren’t on minimum wage and if you are thirty something years old working minimum wage, you have failed at life at some point.  It’s true.  It’s not saying you can’t start over, but it’s not going to be easy.  That’s the point.  But using the government to force an employer to supplement your failure is theft.  Minimum wage isn’t supposed to be something you are meant to live off forever.  It’s a stepping stone job.  That is why there are so few people actually earning it.

Reality may not make you feel good, but facts are what they are.

That doesn’t mean you failed. It means the job market failed. Did you know that only 28% of minimum wage workers were dropouts? The highest percentage of minimum wage employees actually have some form of college degree with 7% having higher than a bachelor’s. How can you expect a person just out of highschool to go to college for a better job (which doesn’t actually work like that anymore) when they aren’t even making enough money to live, much less pay for college. I know several people who have welfare and food stamps and scholarships and grants and can’t afford college. Why is it executive people are allowed huge pay raises, but we can’t even muster a minimum wage raise when the minimum wage was designed to support a family on a single income?

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Well, first off, I’m not sure how you believe it’s the job market’s fault that minimum wage workers were dropouts.  Did the job market cause these workers to dropout of high school?

Secondly, where are you getting these numbers?  Let’s look at Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers (2013) by the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

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I apologize if that’s very small, but here’s what it states:

• 20.3% of minimum wage (or less) workers have only 1-3 years of high school.  That also means that many are still in high school but haven’t graduated yet.  So, I’m not sure where you got that dropout statistic?

• 28.1% of minimum wage (or less) workers have less than a high school diploma, meaning they also may actually be in high school.

• Only 3.3% have 4 years of high school but no diploma.

• 71.9% have at least a high school diploma.

• 7.9% have at least a bachelor’s degree.

• Only .9% have anything more than a bachelor’s degree and are still working for minimum wage.  I’m assuming these are the dimwits who got their master’s in sociology, creative dance or women’s studies.

How can you expect a person just out of highschool to go to college for a better job (which doesn’t actually work like that anymore) when they aren’t even making enough money to live, much less pay for college.”

Probably the same way I did.  I had to get a minimum wage job after high school because I ran out of money just to eat while I was in college.  I thought I saved enough money during high school for college and living, but quickly blew through it faster than anticipated.  I ended up getting a roommate to help me offset costs, balanced my budget better, and figured it out…like an adult.  That’s part of growing up.  You have to start solving problems on your own.

Also, if you believe there’s no value in a college education, then by all means, go get a job and work your way through life.  There’s no shame in working a blue collar job.  Some pay nicer than a job you might land with a college degree.

"I know several people who have welfare and food stamps and scholarships and grants and can’t afford college."

No offense to your acquaintances, but they may be stuck in the government dole mentality.  That of course is not always the case, but when a bear figures out they can obtain free, easy food from a dumpster, they rarely go back to foraging in the woods.  What they need is a job to teach them that things like college are a privilege you must earn, not one that you deserve.  Sometimes a bit of panic can get you motivated, but when you’re getting supplemental income from the government, that lessens the stress of the situation.

Why is it executive people are allowed huge pay raises, but we can’t even muster a minimum wage raise when the minimum wage was designed to support a family on a single income?”

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Almost every minimum wage argument reverts back to silly class warfare fallacies.  Let me be clear - the pay of a CEO has very little to do with the wages or salaries of other employees.  Most CEOs do not get pay raises if the company is struggling or not making a profit anyway and many fixed salaries are set by board or owner(s) just like any other employee’s salaries.  This caricature of the rich executive lining his/her pockets while the poor workers are slaving away is dumbing down this conversation.

Furthermore, the minimum wage is not meant to support a family or even single incomes.  That’s precisely why most minimum wage earners live with their family, are have some kind of other supplemental income source, or have multiple jobs.  Minimum wage jobs are temporary.  It is not an employer’s job (nor the state’s job for that matter) to try to determine what your “living” wage should be.  That is up to you.  It is your responsibility to determine your own budget and what type of wage or salary will fulfill your lifestyle and goals.  Stop begging businesses and/or the government to make that decision for you.

If you could survive off of minimum wage/welfare, what incentive would you have to work for a better paying job?

Much like the bear analogy, it’s like that one Spongebob episode where Squidward gets fired from the Krusty Krab and Spongebob starts taking care of him. Not only does Squidward start freeloading and taking advantage of his hospitality, but he starts demanding everything from food to story time as if it was his God-given right!

That’s the sort of mentality that’s created when using other people’s resoruces - other people’s tax dollars - as a lifeline instead of a stepping stone.